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James (11:22:06 AM): hola
Autumn (11:22:12 AM): hola
Travis (11:22:18 AM): wordddd
Travis (11:22:47 AM): jackson is probably still mouring those yankees
Autumn (11:22:51 AM): hahaa
James (11:22:57 AM): yea baby
Lauren L (11:23:02 AM): grrrr travis
Autumn (11:23:12 AM): yeah so i figure we can comment on convos on here & not have to wait to jump in til he calls on all of us
James (11:23:26 AM): yea good call
Lauren L (11:23:27 AM): smart thinking
Lauren S (11:30:04 AM): doodle doodle hey
Ashley (11:30:06 AM): huh??
Autumn (11:30:41 AM): poor ian..
Ashley (11:30:46 AM): aw ian..your identity!
Travis (11:30:55 AM): yeah we dont want you to lose your identity
Travis (11:30:58 AM): you gotta be assertive man
Lauren L (11:30:59 AM): not just identity... ontological identity.....
Autumn (11:31:01 AM): change it! go constructivist!
Travis (11:31:05 AM): haha
James (11:31:14 AM): all the way
Travis (11:31:21 AM): well wouldn't realist ian just kick the crap out of creepy ian
Lauren L (11:31:27 AM): haha
Ian (11:31:30 AM): good idea trav
James (11:31:35 AM): yea
Autumn (11:31:37 AM): our ian's the default - creepy ian's obviously the other.. duhh
Ian (11:31:42 AM): except he might bite me and then i'll get rabies
Autumn (11:31:45 AM): ahhah
Travis (11:32:15 AM): yeh you gotta represent
Travis (11:33:54 AM): ians gotta bond together
Lauren L (11:34:10 AM): i like this conversation...
James (11:34:17 AM): yea its good
Lauren L (11:35:46 AM): ash/autumn i'm totally tempted to tell the story about what happened when we were passing eaglesnest
Autumn (11:36:14 AM): hahahah
Travis (11:36:16 AM): i just think its funny that we are picking on a real person
Travis (11:36:22 AM): hope he doesn't walk in
Autumn (11:36:23 AM): yeahh...
Lauren L (11:36:34 AM): apparantly i let him into an elavator...
James (11:36:50 AM): haha
Autumn (11:36:52 AM): haha yeahh you did lol
Lauren L (11:37:20 AM): should i tell the story?
Travis (11:37:27 AM): dooo it
Autumn (11:37:29 AM): go for it!
Ashley (11:38:31 AM): that was amazing
Autumn (11:38:37 AM): lots of individual experiences that correlate = he's actually creepy.
Travis (11:38:48 AM): he should feel honored we are dedicating a class to him...
James (11:38:51 AM): haha yep
Lauren L (11:38:52 AM): lol
Autumn (11:38:55 AM): lmao
Sam (11:38:57 AM): haha
Ashley (11:39:05 AM): what if he walked by
Ashley (11:39:12 AM): i would cry - id feel so bad
Autumn (11:39:13 AM): that would be so hilarious
Lauren L (11:39:15 AM): that would be amazing
Lauren L (11:39:28 AM): cool
Autumn (11:39:32 AM): it's not like he'd hear what's going on in the classroom ashley
Travis (11:39:39 AM): hah yeh
Travis (11:39:39 AM): lizzzzz
Liz (11:39:43 AM): travey poo
Travis (11:41:09 AM): ok kids lets keep it professional
Travis (11:41:09 AM): haha
James (11:41:10 AM): how are you enjoying this conversation?
Travis (11:41:23 AM): yeah liz do you know creepy ian?
Liz (11:41:33 AM): no i dont
Autumn (11:41:38 AM): i like how ptj keeps tying back to ir theory & then we just tell more stories.. oops we should prolly stop that
Liz (11:41:39 AM): y the hell are we talking about him. im confused
Travis (11:41:44 AM): i dont know if he is a threat to our survival as a floor
Travis (11:41:56 AM): is he dangerous? haha
Autumn (11:42:03 AM): quite possibly ..?
Lauren L (11:42:06 AM): i still hafta say sublimilly, game?
Sam (11:42:19 AM): we could gang up. im sure all of us could take him on
Travis (11:42:28 AM): oh.. that is creepy
Autumn (11:42:30 AM): scaryyyy!!
Ashley (11:42:32 AM): yea
Travis (11:42:47 AM): we should let creepy ian testify or something
Ashley (11:42:51 AM): and apparently there are theories about other things he did that they cant prove
Lauren L (11:43:22 AM): wanna share?
Travis (11:43:28 AM): oh yah well ian is so cool he can't be brought down by larry
Autumn (11:43:38 AM): wait what?
Ian (11:43:38 AM): i don't want to lose my identity
Ashley (11:43:55 AM): no its inappropriate and idk how true or not it is they just have suspicians
Travis (11:43:55 AM): i don't blame you he has it comin to him
Autumn (11:44:04 AM): we dont know his last name..
Travis (11:44:04 AM): it is to warn people duh
Travis (11:44:07 AM): yeah
Autumn (11:44:11 AM): yeah that's pretty important too
Travis (11:44:19 AM): creepy pretty much says it all
Travis (11:44:25 AM): covers all the bases
Autumn (11:44:51 AM): obviously!
Travis (11:45:00 AM): wait what class are we in?
Autumn (11:45:06 AM): i cant remember...
Travis (11:45:07 AM): ohh yeah
Autumn (11:45:12 AM): titus remind us again?
Ashley (11:45:19 AM): lol
Travis (11:45:20 AM): yes, please
Autumn (11:45:22 AM): oh yeah wp!
Sam (11:45:31 AM): haha
Travis (11:45:37 AM): lol "agressive"
Travis (11:45:45 AM): thats one way to put it i suppose
Autumn (11:45:46 AM): yay for cool smilies!
Ashley (11:45:48 AM): no they run away from him
Ian (11:45:48 AM): he's the creeps freedom fighter
Lauren L (11:45:50 AM): .... if he has friends...
Ashley (11:45:58 AM): i've seen it
James (11:46:02 AM): johnny is his friend
Travis (11:46:09 AM): little johnny
Travis (11:46:13 AM): ow ow
Ashley (11:46:16 AM): he doesnt like him
James (11:46:22 AM): oo
James (11:46:30 AM): whatevs then
Autumn (11:46:33 AM): johnny doesnt like ian or the other way around? je suis confu
Lauren L (11:46:37 AM): johnny's creepy too though, right?
Ashley (11:46:40 AM): the way you said
Autumn (11:46:48 AM): o ok
Ashley (11:46:49 AM): johnny is just very socially awkward
Travis (11:46:50 AM): yeah maybe they are like a little creepy army
Lauren L (11:46:57 AM): haha
Travis (11:47:09 AM): well the evidence is there...
Travis (11:47:16 AM): i think there is solid proof
Travis (11:47:19 AM): right?
Travis (11:47:22 AM): jams and whatever
Autumn (11:47:27 AM): but then you're on your guard when you actually meet him & you can be careful!
Ian (11:47:38 AM): i'll say it to his face
Ian (11:47:49 AM): he brings shame to the noble name of ian
Autumn (11:47:52 AM): hhahha
Lauren S (11:47:56 AM): that's awful
James (11:47:57 AM): yea dude
Travis (11:47:59 AM): well i don't know though if these preconceived nothions are valid until you have a creepy experience
Autumn (11:48:18 AM): true true
James (11:48:21 AM): id say the jams thing is pretty creepy
Sam (11:48:24 AM): but do you want to have a creepy experience is the question?
James (11:48:31 AM): exactly
Autumn (11:48:38 AM): no. not really.
Liz (11:48:52 AM): sorry guys
Autumn (11:48:56 AM): that's a good question...
Liz (11:48:58 AM): i dont get the point of this conversation
Autumn (11:48:58 AM): idk?
Liz (11:49:02 AM): and think its kinda dumb
Sam (11:49:02 AM): yea the mouse experience i had was slightly creepy
Ian (11:49:09 AM): did you read enloe?
Autumn (11:49:18 AM): yepp
Liz (11:49:18 AM): yes i did
Liz (11:49:22 AM): but get a better example
Travis (11:49:27 AM): yeh it was kind of out there
Liz (11:49:31 AM): one with relevance?
James (11:49:35 AM): id prefer a better example
Travis (11:49:45 AM): yeh we are taking this to far
Lauren L (11:49:46 AM): how did this even start?
James (11:49:52 AM): idk
Liz (11:49:53 AM): yeah
Autumn (11:50:07 AM): ....
Travis (11:50:19 AM): yeah this is totally irrelivant why don't we talk about enloe
Travis (11:50:20 AM): yeah
Travis (11:50:36 AM): this really isn't going anywhere
Sam (11:50:41 AM): no no its not
Travis (11:50:47 AM): we can talk about mexican peasant uprisings
James (11:50:50 AM): not at all
Travis (11:50:51 AM): or something
Liz (11:51:00 AM): something with substance
Sam (11:51:11 AM): the blackwater mercenaries haha
James (11:51:20 AM): yea lets go with that
Liz (11:51:24 AM): someone say that
Autumn (11:51:26 AM): go for it
James (11:51:27 AM): its more interesting anyway
Travis (11:51:27 AM): well i mean according to the article shouldn't we be worried that creepy ian is gonna rise up against us
Liz (11:51:34 AM): travis
Travis (11:51:38 AM): haha
Liz (11:51:41 AM): please
Travis (11:51:41 AM): yes?
Liz (11:51:48 AM): be sexy and be queit
Travis (11:51:53 AM): ok, ok we will try and shift the conversatino
Ian (11:51:58 AM): well in response to shultzy, is it fair for me to be brought down by this ian?
Lauren S (11:52:12 AM): no
Liz (11:52:17 AM): no ian
Ian (11:52:17 AM): i think its my duty to make the delineation
Liz (11:52:19 AM): but its not about u
Travis (11:52:23 AM): well he shouldnt affect you i mean you should be able to maintain your image
Liz (11:52:25 AM): u have hte same name
Liz (11:52:27 AM): sucks
Liz (11:52:29 AM): but watever
Travis (11:52:55 AM): yeah let's just talk about something else i don't want to spend a whole class on ian
Ian (11:52:59 AM): same actually
Liz (11:53:02 AM): i agree. sorry ian
Ian (11:53:03 AM): we are getting off it now
Lauren S (11:53:09 AM): ouch
Lauren S (11:53:09 AM): hahha
James (11:53:10 AM): sort of
James (11:53:29 AM): why are we talking about how to talk about people?
James (11:53:37 AM): and the n word
Ashley (11:53:37 AM): were really just using it as a model, I dont really think that it matters how well or not well we know him because were taking it out to use to explain things. we arent discussing ian we're discussing marginalization
Travis (11:53:51 AM): yeah but its just disrespectful i think
Lauren L (11:53:53 AM): because labels leads to otherization
Travis (11:54:01 AM): we should use a broader example
Ian (11:54:03 AM): except some people haven't read enloe so don't know this
Travis (11:54:11 AM): well screw them
Travis (11:54:14 AM): they should have done the hw
Ashley (11:54:18 AM): I mean everything is relative. I feel like you cant give people some sort of label if you have no basis or knowledge for it
Autumn (11:54:34 AM): yeah but once you have some knowledge then ...
Autumn (11:55:18 AM): isnt queer eye starting soon?
Travis (11:55:23 AM): i hope so man
Ashley (11:55:26 AM): lol i dont know
Autumn (11:55:31 AM): lauren l- we were talking about it before do you know?
Sam (11:55:35 AM): idk dont watch the show
Lauren L (11:55:37 AM): we don't get bravo so it doens't matter
Travis (11:55:41 AM): oh crapp
Autumn (11:55:43 AM): awwww mann...
Travis (11:55:48 AM): way to be a downer
Ashley (11:55:53 AM): i also think that it really depends whether or not your welcomed into the community whether or not you can use your terms
Lauren L (11:55:56 AM): sorrrry
Liz (11:55:56 AM): travis ur always a downer
Travis (11:56:05 AM): so...hows that paper gonig for y'all?
Autumn (11:56:20 AM): ... lets not discuss that.
Travis (11:56:27 AM): haha ok ok
Travis (11:56:29 AM): fair enough
Autumn (11:57:04 AM): except that just saying we should move away from a word doesnt mean that people will actually do it
Lauren L (11:57:15 AM): yeah
Sam (11:57:25 AM): also the meaning of words change. degrading words or otherwise
Travis (11:57:27 AM): well its an understanding or a social norm
Travis (11:57:36 AM): didn't you watch the daily show yesterday
James (11:57:36 AM): yea thats true
Travis (11:57:44 AM): words are losing their definitions
Autumn (11:57:44 AM): no
Travis (11:57:52 AM): its a serious matter
James (11:57:54 AM): it was good
Travis (11:57:54 AM): haha
Lauren L (11:58:07 AM): find the clip and play it?
James (11:58:16 AM): we could
Travis (11:58:18 AM): haha maybe
Autumn (11:58:18 AM): i mean no i didnt watch it not no words are losing their definitions... definitions are always changing
Autumn (11:58:28 AM): pirates & emperors!
Autumn (11:58:35 AM): pirates of the caribbean!
Travis (11:58:38 AM): we dont have the AV stuff
Autumn (11:58:42 AM): yeah w/e
Sam (11:58:43 AM): ewww not that movie
Lauren L (11:58:49 AM): you have ur laptop ...
Travis (11:58:57 AM): savvy
Autumn (11:59:02 AM): you could send the link around & we could watch on various laptops throughout the room savvy?
Travis (11:59:19 AM): perhaps
James (11:59:21 AM): lets stop saying savvy savvy?
Autumn (11:59:29 AM): savvy.
Autumn (11:59:46 AM): aww the squirrels!
Travis (11:59:55 AM): wouldnt it be better if instad of marginalize we just used pick on or opress
Sam (12:00:03 PM): haha the three subspecies of the squirrls yay!
Lauren L (12:00:09 PM): my friend got really drunk once, and her roomate had a picture of pirates of the C on her wall, and she told her roomate to "tell johnny depp to stop moving and why is orlando bloom so angry"
Autumn (12:00:18 PM): hahaha
James (12:00:36 PM): jackson can see my computer
James (12:00:40 PM): just so you know
Autumn (12:01:00 PM): but travis- marginalize sounds less harsh & thus we use it because we want to sound nicer than if we said 'pick on' or 'oppress'
Lauren L (12:01:09 PM): hahaha oops
Travis (12:01:23 PM): although we cant watch it
Travis (12:01:26 PM): without sound
Autumn (12:01:26 PM): well we're posting it anyways...
Travis (12:01:27 PM): so w/e
James (12:01:34 PM): marginalize is a word whose meaning is just more positively pitched
Autumn (12:01:39 PM): exactly
Sam (12:01:43 PM): wow this was so english class with the use of slanting words haha
Travis (12:01:47 PM): yeah haha
Lauren L (12:02:02 PM): yup sam
Autumn (12:02:19 PM): wow...
Travis (12:02:22 PM): this clip is actually really good it talks about freedom of speech and personal opinion, etc
Autumn (12:02:31 PM): yeah something should have happened though!
Travis (12:02:38 PM): you should watch it later or something
Autumn (12:02:49 PM): post the link & we can watch it later/mention it in blogs
James (12:02:53 PM): yea we should
James (12:02:59 PM): yea
Travis (12:03:05 PM): yeah i posted it up there but i can repost it later
Autumn (12:03:22 PM): up where? it's not in this convo...?
Liz (12:03:27 PM): i always sound like im gonna cry in this class
Travis (12:03:29 PM): is it not
Liz (12:03:49 PM): ..random...
Autumn (12:03:53 PM): no- you definitely had reason to get mad about that!
Autumn (12:04:07 PM): i would too - that's totally awful
Travis (12:04:14 PM): whatever the URL is too long
Travis (12:04:17 PM): i will put it somewhre else
Liz (12:04:27 PM): ha thanks...
James (12:04:31 PM): whats awful?
Autumn (12:04:38 PM): copy... paste... it doesnt really matter if it's long lolll
James (12:04:42 PM): the nword thing?
Autumn (12:04:48 PM): yeahhh
James (12:05:02 PM): its really not that bad
Travis (12:05:11 PM): no AIM has a limit on how long your messge can be
Autumn (12:05:20 PM): really? i never knew that..
James (12:05:23 PM): words are words. thy get their meaning because of how we use them
Autumn (12:05:28 PM): alrite some other time then
Travis (12:05:35 PM): yeah exactly they are so arbitrary
Travis (12:05:43 PM): i'll say it i don't care
Travis (12:05:52 PM): well i mean i do care
James (12:05:52 PM): i will too
Travis (12:05:56 PM): but i will still say it
Autumn (12:06:11 PM): i wouldnt want to..
James (12:06:18 PM): i care, but you can say it if you feel the need to
Liz (12:06:23 PM): i disagree
Ashley (12:06:28 PM): i wont just because it carries so much history and neativity tied to it but thats what people make it
James (12:06:29 PM): what if you used it positively?
Travis (12:06:36 PM): dude i will call a fat person a fat person
Liz (12:06:38 PM): how can u use it positively
Travis (12:06:39 PM): ...no
Travis (12:06:40 PM): i wont
Ashley (12:06:41 PM): if people decided it wasnt negative anymore that would even be better
Liz (12:06:46 PM): when it has been taught that its a negative word?
Travis (12:06:50 PM): well you can't there is too much history
Travis (12:07:03 PM): you can't just decide to change a word its way easier to just have ppl stop using it
James (12:07:10 PM): just say it when describing a positive attribute of a black person
Autumn (12:07:16 PM): yeah but i dont think that you can use it positively . i mean white people just cant say it positively because of the history...
Liz (12:07:21 PM): how would u make that sound positive
Lauren L (12:07:23 PM): that's not gonna work...
Ashley (12:07:32 PM): there are ways that you can get past it though, people revitalize neighborhoods that had previously been associated with crime and poverty
Travis (12:07:33 PM): you wouldn't the only thing you can do its just not use it
Travis (12:07:36 PM): or not care
James (12:07:38 PM): cuz youre thinking too deeply into the word
Ashley (12:07:41 PM): eventually that association goes away
Travis (12:07:47 PM): i dont think it does
Ashley (12:07:47 PM): why should this be any different
Liz (12:07:48 PM): but how can u not think deepy?
James (12:07:48 PM): in its most basic form, it denotes black person
Liz (12:07:53 PM): words go hand in hand with feeligns
James (12:07:56 PM): youre letting the history clod the true meaning of it
Liz (12:07:58 PM): they bring up feelings and emotions
Travis (12:07:58 PM): yeah but pop culture says differently
Liz (12:08:03 PM): and a word like that
Lauren L (12:08:05 PM): then just say black, there
Liz (12:08:06 PM): that has such depth
Ashley (12:08:08 PM): im still not saying that its right to say but i do think that if it was focused on it could be changed
Travis (12:08:09 PM): its just got bad connotations
Lauren L (12:08:09 PM): s no need to use the nword
Liz (12:08:09 PM): cannot be ogtten rid of
Travis (12:08:20 PM): yeah you aren't gonna change it
James (12:08:28 PM): see i love what a simple comment can do
Travis (12:08:28 PM): its not worth the trouble
Lauren L (12:08:29 PM): then just say black, no need to use the n word*
Autumn (12:08:35 PM): exactly
James (12:08:38 PM): i would never say it, but look how active evryone got
Autumn (12:08:50 PM): except you said that you would...
Lauren L (12:08:50 PM): because u said u'd say it lol
Liz (12:08:51 PM): ....wow
Travis (12:09:17 PM): well i mean its just a word...if i locked myself in a room and shouted the nword no one would know
Travis (12:09:19 PM): and it would mean nothing
James (12:09:21 PM): i know what i said
Autumn (12:09:27 PM): i dont think it's a problem to use descriptions as long as they're not derogatory in any sense
James (12:09:27 PM): that doent mean i believe it
Travis (12:09:50 PM): its all about how each person involved takes the word
Travis (12:09:56 PM): some people might not care
Travis (12:10:05 PM): it just depends ya know
James (12:10:06 PM): exactly
James (12:10:24 PM): a word is a word
James (12:10:31 PM): connotation is different
Travis (12:10:33 PM): black actually makes more sense
James (12:10:42 PM): it does
Travis (12:10:44 PM): not many black ppl have ever been to africa
Liz (12:10:50 PM): word
Travis (12:10:50 PM): so...yeah
Lauren S (12:10:54 PM): nor are from africa
Autumn (12:10:55 PM): yepp
James (12:10:58 PM): many arent even from africa
Lauren S (12:11:01 PM): there are people from the caribbean
Lauren S (12:11:03 PM): and such
James (12:11:06 PM): yea
Lauren L (12:11:13 PM): the offiice james!
James (12:11:18 PM): i had a friend who was latin
James (12:11:21 PM): yes!
James (12:11:30 PM): and he asked us to refer to him as black
Lauren S (12:11:36 PM): yep
Lauren S (12:11:45 PM): b/c that's how the latinos deal w.it
Travis (12:11:51 PM): i mean really the only time i use the term black is when i need to describe someone to someone
James (12:11:54 PM): african-american just wasnt true
Travis (12:11:55 PM): like if they are looking for them
James (12:11:56 PM): exactly
Travis (12:12:00 PM): its nothing derrogatory
Autumn (12:12:10 PM): yeah it just is.
James (12:12:14 PM): mhmm
Travis (12:12:16 PM): but how else are you going to distinguish
Lauren S (12:12:30 PM): do you call yourself a european american?
Autumn (12:12:34 PM): "african american" is just such a mouthful..
Liz (12:12:36 PM): y do we need to distinguish?
Autumn (12:12:38 PM): nooo haha
Travis (12:12:41 PM): i mean, some people might say you dont need to distinguish, that is houldnt matter
Liz (12:12:43 PM): thought id be annyoing
Travis (12:12:44 PM): yeah
Lauren S (12:12:45 PM): then why would you say african american?
Travis (12:12:47 PM): exactly
Autumn (12:12:51 PM): exactly.
Travis (12:12:58 PM): i mean i suppose it really shouldn't matter
Liz (12:13:02 PM): i know
Liz (12:13:12 PM): its kind of troublesome thinking about it
Travis (12:13:20 PM): but its just in our nature to notice things that are different
Liz (12:13:25 PM): we are arguing on how to refer to people
Travis (12:13:36 PM): if two ppl are together youd say, "a black man and a white man"
Travis (12:13:43 PM): most likely
Lauren L (12:13:45 PM): but then, if there's a group of black kids and one white kid is ti bad to be like "oh she's the white one"? it's the same idea...
Lauren S (12:13:48 PM): there's no problem saying someone is black. the problem is when you say you hate black people
Lauren L (12:13:55 PM): yeah i agree
Travis (12:13:56 PM): yeah right
Travis (12:13:59 PM): thats it
Liz (12:14:02 PM): agreed lauiren
James (12:14:03 PM): yea
Liz (12:14:03 PM): lauren
Lauren S (12:14:12 PM): black ppl don't care if you call them black
Travis (12:14:20 PM): but i think a lot black people might think the word black equals hatred or condesending
Lauren S (12:14:38 PM): ou of all the black ppl i've ever talked to, i've never heard that
Travis (12:14:39 PM): but if you think about it it is just a word and it is just logical
Travis (12:14:45 PM): well im just saying
Travis (12:14:49 PM): perhaps
Lauren L (12:14:49 PM): unless you link "black" with some sort of negatve connotation. it all depends on the context
Liz (12:14:50 PM): but a word carries a lot f meaning
Travis (12:14:56 PM): yes they do
Autumn (12:15:16 PM): words have power, but i think using 'black' isnt wrong. the nword is.
James (12:15:17 PM): the connotation of a word is what carries meaning
Lauren S (12:15:27 PM): agreed
James (12:15:29 PM): agreed
Liz (12:15:34 PM): hahaha
Liz (12:15:41 PM): we are cute
Lauren S (12:15:46 PM): and the only way we can eliminate the negaive connotation from black is by reintegrating it into our language
Sam (12:15:51 PM): the connotation of a word can be good or bad but its up to you if you let it bother you or not
Lauren S (12:15:54 PM): and not avoiding it
James (12:16:08 PM): thats true too sam
Lauren S (12:16:26 PM): i'm lauren
Liz (12:16:30 PM): yeah but the nword bothers me
James (12:16:36 PM): i was responding to sam
Liz (12:16:40 PM): hahahaha
James (12:16:40 PM): i know oyur lauren
Lauren S (12:16:44 PM): o ok
Travis (12:16:52 PM): well yeah but it really has run its course i think the nword is a 20-30s term
James (12:17:00 PM): i agree with you too lauren
Travis (12:17:04 PM): it really has been weeded out because society says its not appropriate
Sam (12:17:05 PM): im not saying its wrong to be bothered by words its just will you let yourself be destabilized by the use of a word
James (12:17:32 PM): yes
James (12:17:43 PM): i agree with travis and sam
Ian (12:18:01 PM) has left the room.
Autumn (12:18:14 PM): it's easier to generalize groups that you're not a part of
Autumn (12:18:18 PM): yepp
Lauren L (12:18:30 PM): oy
Travis (12:18:30 PM): amen brother
Travis (12:18:43 PM): political correctness is usually dumb
Autumn (12:18:44 PM): yeah political correctness is generally pretty annoying
Sam (12:18:45 PM): yea screw political corectness
Travis (12:18:48 PM): just gotta tell it like it is
Autumn (12:18:56 PM): yeah lets revolt against it!
Travis (12:19:04 PM): way ahead of you hah
Liz (12:19:04 PM): leave it to stephan to open up a can of worms
James (12:19:04 PM): do it!
Travis (12:19:09 PM): hey liz relax
James (12:19:10 PM): yea
Travis (12:19:12 PM): don't be so uptight
Lauren S (12:19:27 PM) has left the room.
Autumn (12:20:06 PM): yeah that would be really weird..
Ashley (12:20:29 PM): that would be weird but i agree with stephan
Travis (12:20:43 PM): yeahh
Ashley (12:20:47 PM): we should just take these traits for what they are and not base any actions by it
Travis (12:20:59 PM): unless you are a republican
James (12:21:05 PM): we should celebrate our differences
Ashley (12:21:10 PM): people look different - get over it
Travis (12:21:16 PM): haha yeahhh they do
James (12:21:16 PM): yup
Liz (12:21:30 PM): ahhhhh
Autumn (12:22:07 PM): ahhhh
Ashley (12:22:29 PM): we should all watch puzzle place
Travis (12:22:34 PM): ??
Ashley (12:25:04 PM): idk
Autumn (12:25:18 PM): this whole convo's bizarre - does it really matter if the question is?
James (12:25:46 PM): haha true that
Autumn (12:26:03 PM): the list on our door!!
Ashley (12:26:03 PM): i think that if its just a visual that is perfectly fine and thats what it should be
Ashley (12:26:33 PM): but if by saying brown thinking arab and by thinking arab your thinking terrorist then its a problem
Lauren L (12:26:40 PM): ummmm. yes there has?
James (12:26:40 PM): yes
Autumn (12:27:56 PM): yeahh they do
Liz (12:28:20 PM): thats y i said wat i said
Lauren L (12:29:07 PM): wait i don't get the ups joke...
Sam (12:29:07 PM): back to what supriya was saying is the word is who you are. i wouldnt be offended if someone called me queer because well i am queer. so it has to do with visuals just as much as who you are
James (12:29:31 PM): yea
James (12:29:45 PM): lauren the joke is 'UPS What can brown do for you?'
James (12:29:50 PM): 'BROWN'
Lauren L (12:29:52 PM): ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
James (12:30:06 PM): good job
Lauren L (12:30:11 PM): shhhhhhhhhhh
James (12:30:15 PM): lol
Ashley (12:31:18 PM): wow laur
James (12:31:29 PM): yea
Lauren L (12:31:35 PM): shhhhhh
James (12:31:47 PM): we're not speaking
Autumn (12:31:57 PM): i know... oops
Autumn (12:32:12 PM): we should get on that but there are so many other people who want to talk...
James (12:32:25 PM): and theres so little time left
Autumn (12:32:32 PM): omg 3minutes
Travis (12:32:35 PM): yeah its not a big deal i dont think
Ashley (12:32:38 PM): yea, everyone has so much to say about this
Travis (12:32:40 PM): i am sooo hungry
Autumn (12:32:48 PM): i didnt realize it was that close to being done!
Travis (12:32:49 PM): just a random aside
Travis (12:32:55 PM): yeahh it went fast today
James (12:33:02 PM): yea
Travis (12:33:03 PM): did you save this?
James (12:33:06 PM): im hungry too
Travis (12:33:07 PM): i lost a bit
Lauren L (12:33:08 PM): haha thanks for sharing trav
Autumn (12:33:10 PM): i'm going to once we're done
Travis (12:33:16 PM): yeah beacuse i got kicked out in there
Travis (12:33:20 PM): so i lost a few minutes
Travis (12:33:22 PM): or stuff
Autumn (12:33:23 PM): but i dont want to miss any last minute comments
Travis (12:33:26 PM): but i have most of it if you need it
Autumn (12:33:36 PM): nope i got it but thnx
James (12:33:43 PM): yup
Travis (12:33:48 PM): alright well only one of us needs to pos ti tright?
Autumn (12:33:53 PM): yeah i'm on it
Travis (12:33:57 PM): good deal
Lauren L (12:34:16 PM): michael jackson syndrome ebecause it lets the margininalized feel closer to the center. which suckkks
Travis (12:34:21 PM): haha
Travis (12:34:23 PM): yeah
Autumn (12:34:41 PM): yeah well screw realists
Travis (12:34:46 PM): amen
Autumn (12:34:54 PM): it shouldnt have connotationslike that
James (12:34:57 PM): thats why ethnic profiling is such a problem
Travis (12:34:58 PM): stupid realists, if there were no realists everyone would be happy
Ashley (12:35:01 PM): realism is blah - i dont like it
Autumn (12:35:04 PM): make up a different word to be derogatory or something
Travis (12:35:10 PM): realism ruins everything
Ashley (12:35:10 PM): yay bffl!!
Ashley (12:35:12 PM): your right
Lauren L (12:35:12 PM): lol. realists also categorize illegal immigrants as "others" so they don't give about helping anyone
Autumn (12:35:20 PM): exactly
James (12:35:29 PM): yea
Travis (12:35:30 PM): ok peace outtt
Autumn (12:35:32 PM): byee
James (12:35:36 PM): later
Lauren L (12:35:39 PM): byee
4 comments:
I would like to comment on this aim chat that was posted after last class. Although some of this chat has to do with our class topic, I do not feel that this needs to be posted on the blog. In order to follow a conversation like this, it is difficult to also follow the class conversation, and I don't think it is appropriate to have both going on at the same time, especially with group chats that involve numerous people. None of the topics were necesarily discussed in a very serious manner... I just think that if you disagree or agree with what someone is saying in class, you should speak to the class and not with a small group online.
How can you say "screw realists"? It seems to me that a lot of you want to live in some happy go-lucky world and that's just not the case. You cannot hate realism, liberalism, or constructivism - they're just theories and it's a way to make sense of the world. In my opinion, liberalism and constructvism are just sub-sections of realism - it's a different way to view the world but overall both are pursuing self-interests which is a realist principle.
Ultimately, I find this entire conversation rather petty and if I'm being honest, annoying. Not only are you not contributing to the class discussion but you're also presenting your ideas in a very unintelligent manner. Saying things like "screw realists" and other things just makes you come off as, quite frankly, stupid. Also, as I read this conversation I realized that very few of you actually stuck to your initial beliefs and continued to flip-flop throughout. I also thought that through this mode of conversation you were making light of a topic that is very serious and controversial.
I know that all of you are extremely intelligent, thoughtful people, but something about this conversation really rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe it's partly to do with the fact that I have to live with you and am forced to hear your voices/laughter/shrieking at 3:00 in the morning when I'm trying to sleep or maybe it's just because it's October and I'm mad that it's still so hot out.
Anyways, I don't want anyone to take this personally, I guess I just am not a fan of the IM Chat Group discussions in the middle of class (which I know comes off as extremely hypocritical since I myself posted an IM conversation the other week).
I guess I just had to get this off my chest.
wow. I didnt realize that I'd have to defend myself for posting a conversation that I was asked by PTJ to post... I only put it up here because he requested that I do so - excuse me for following directions.
I'd also like to point out that he said at the beginning of the year that we could have aim chats during class - in case you haven't noticed, a lot of people want to speak during class, so it is sometimes hard to get your opinions heard. By im-ing, we can participate in both the discussion (from time to time since it's hard to jump in more than that) and on aim. And just fyi, many of us participating in the aim conversation also participated in the class discussion. We felt that we could not express ALL of our ideas so we did so online; we shared when we could though.
While the aim discussion was not always serious, I dont see why it needs to be; there are times when we were serious and there are others when we were sarcastic or joking. This is what happens on im.
As far as the online conversation being limited to a "small group," I invited everyone in the class who was on AIM whose screenname I had - if you want to participate too, (which it doesnt seem like you do, so dont feel obligated in any way) just let me know and you can be included.
I dont appreciate my words being taken out of context - which I'm sure was not completely clear from the conversation, but I cannot help that. I would just like to say that we were joking around and in all honesty, I tend to lean towards being a realist anyways. I'm sorry if I offended you as that was not my intent; I was only kidding...
Finally, I dont think that a blog comment is the most appropriate place to make a noise complaint. I'm not sure who that comment was directed at, but perhaps you should confront that person/those people face to face in a calm, mature manner rather than through an online rant.
I respect both of your choices not to participate in online chats during class, but I would appreciate it if you would not attack those of us who do. We are doing nothing wrong and although we are discussing class issues in a more lighthearted manner, we do participate in actual discussions as well. If you do not agree, no is making you read the conversation.
Im going to back up Autumn on this and agree with her. PTJ asked her, James, or me to post the blog seeing as how so many people were on it. Also, it was fairly relevant to the class, in my opinion. Lastly, it allowed those of us who were unable to express an opinion to everyone, we were able to do it on aim and further the conversation on aim and in the class. While all of it didn't have relevance to the discussion, or was all that smart; I feel that overall it was a good thing in allowing even more opinions to be expressed during the class.
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